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Rodrigo Esponda

Meet MICHELLE FRIDMAN HIRSCH
Secretary of Tourism for the state of Jalisco, México.

Rodrigo Esponda
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You studied music at Berklee College of Music in Boston, one of the most demanding music schools in the world. You worked for Putumayo World Music in New Y ork, a label built entirely around the idea that the music of a place can make
the world fall in love with that place. Looking back, do you think you have always been in the business of making people want to visit somewhere they have never been — just using different instruments?
Rodrigo Esponda

Yes, there is definitely a thorough line between the work I did promoting world music through records and what tourism does — which is essentially transporting people, through advertising campaigns or music or gastronomy or festivals, to places they may not even know they want to be. That is precisely the fortunate connection between my career in music, in world music specifically, and tourism — and it is the point where my career took an unexpected turn toward the tourism industry.

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In 2008 you founded Eme Media Com — a tourism PR agency with offices in New York, Madrid, and Bogotá — and spent a decade promoting more than 500 destinations and brands. That is an entrepreneur’s formation, not a bureaucrat’s. When you stepped into your first government role in Yucatán in 2018, what did the private-sector version of you have to unlearn — and what did you refuse to give up?
Rodrigo Esponda

My time in the public sector has been an entirely different kind of education from what I gained over many years in the private sector.

The truth is they are two worlds that complement each other very well but are completely different. And I believe that having had the opportunity to move through both and understand their strengths and weaknesses makes me a far more well-rounded decision-maker.

Both the public and private sectors have real strengths, real
weaknesses, and real areas of opportunity — and they tend to share one important flaw: a breakdown in communication between two languages that are not the same, but that ultimately have to understand each other in order to manage projects in a solid way.

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Governor Lemus spent weeks trying to convince you to accept the Jalisco post. You had just finished six years rebuilding Yucatán from the ground up. What was the conversation you had with yourself before saying yes — and what was the one thing that finally changed your mind?
Rodrigo Esponda

 

I would not say it took the Governor very long to convince me to come to Jalisco. I had spent six wonderful years in Yucatán and had other options, but I genuinely came to believe that Jalisco was the only alternative that was fully complete, it is well-rounded, and fully representative of México.

Jalisco — and the opportunity to represent Jalisco’s tourism — has always felt to me like representing an entire country.
It is a state that has everything: beaches, mountains, Pueblos Mágicos, a great city, a dynamic and forward-thinking private sector. For me, working alongside a Governor like Pablo Lemus and with a private sector as engaged as Jalisco’s is an honor, and I have understood it that way from the start.

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Yucatán needed to be put on the map. Jalisco is already on every map — third in México’s tourism GDP, home to two of the country’s five best-connected airports, a state that receives nearly 34 million visitors a year. The challenge you faced in Yucatán was invisibility. What is the challenge in Jalisco, and is it harder or easier than starting from zero?
Rodrigo Esponda

 

That is true. In Yucatán, even though it is an ancient land, I had to start certain projects from zero — things that for various reasons had not been implemented in a state that perhaps needed to rethink itself in a different way in order to present itself differently and in a language closer to the international visitor.

In Jalisco, we are talking about an already well-established destination, and I think what we need to do is; on one hand, reorder, renew, and retell the narrative of what Jalisco is.

We also need to open the door for other emerging destinations within the state, because we have an enormous diversity that spans from already established places like Puerto Vallarta and Guadalajara — which; I insist, need to reinvent and reorder themselves — alongside emerging destinations like Costalegre and much of the interior, which may not have had the same opportunities.

Thanks to the reengineering and restructuring of the sector, we have been able to give the rest of the state not only the chance to develop, but also to join and complement the offering of Jalisco’s already established and well-positioned destinations.

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In your first year in Jalisco, the Pueblos Mágicos outperformed Puerto Vallarta and Guadalajara — growing between 2% and 12% in visitor flow against 1% in the anchor destinations. That is not a coincidence. What happened in the Pueblos Mágicos that the big destinations could not replicate — and is that the future of Jalisco’s tourism strategy?
Rodrigo Esponda

What happened in the Pueblos Mágicos was the result of a deliberate bet on decentralization — something the anchor destinations; by their very nature, do not need to replicate in the same way.

First, we created the product: we transformed the Tequila Route into a full valley integrating eight municipalities, and we developed a brand-new route in Los Altos de Jalisco that had been waiting years to be organized.

But having the product is not enough if you don’t communicate it. That is where the ‘Conecta con tu interior’ campaign proved decisive. This initiative allowed us to make this new offering visible and motivate travelers to step beyond traditional destinations and explore the identity,
gastronomy, and distinct character of these communities.

The numbers show that diversification — one of the three pillars of our State Plan 2025–2030 — works. While anchor destinations grew by 1%, our 12 Pueblos Mágicos recorded increases of 2% and 12%. The strategy has never been to replace the major destinations, but to consolidate them as the main gateways into a much broader and more equitable Jalisco.

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BajaTraveler® serves affluent U.S. and Canadian travelers — the demographic that chooses between Tuscany, Patagonia, and Southeast Asia. Puerto Vallarta is on their radar; the tequila route, the Costa Alegre, San Sebastián del Oeste, the Guachimontones archaeological site — these are not. What is Jalisco’s luxury offer that does not yet exist in the North American imagination, and what would it take for that traveler to choose Jalisco over Tuscany for 10 days?
Rodrigo Esponda

The great offering that still does not exist in the North American imagination is Costalegre. Along that coastline we have seen developments such as Six Senses Xala and Chablé El Tezcalame arrive, and destinations like Careyes, Cihuatlán, Barra de Navidad, Tenacatita, Chamela, Majahuas, and Cabo Corrientes are positioning the region as one of Latin America’s most promising destinations for sustainable luxury tourism, built around a very straightforward philosophy: true luxury lies in preserving nature.

To that we add the agave landscape of the Tequila Valley Route, a UNESCO World Heritage Site since 2006, where ancient industrial facilities coexist with haciendas and gastronomic experiences; and San Sebastián del Oeste,
one of the three Pueblos Mágicos that make up the Raicilla Route, with its intact colonial architecture.

For a traveler to choose ten days in Jalisco over Tuscany, the same thing we are pursuing through campaigns like the one you represent would have to happen: that high-net-worth buyer would need to see, through concrete images and experiences, that a single trip can offer pristine beaches, vineyards and centuries-old agave plants, colonial architecture, and a gastronomy recognized by the MICHELIN Guide — all connected by an airport infrastructure that keeps
growing.

It is, literally, telling the same story we applied to Puerto Vallarta, but extended to the rest of the state.

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You secured ITB Américas for Guadalajara for at least five years — one of the world’s most important travel trade fairs, permanently anchored in Jalisco. That is a B2B coup that most states would never have pulled off. How did you close that deal, and what does it mean for the long-term positioning of Guadalajara as a MICE destination against Mexico City?

Rodrigo Esponda

Guadalajara has all the elements to establish itself as a leading destination for meetings, congresses, and events: infrastructure, connectivity, a strong cultural and gastronomic offering, and its own distinct identity.

The meetings’ industry represents an enormous opportunity for Jalisco — in 2025 it generated an economic impact of 55 billion pesos and more than 87,000 jobs — which shows we are not just talking about events, but about an activity with a real economic footprint. That is precisely why it was important for Guadalajara to become a gathering point for the tourism industry itself: the arrival of ITB Americas for at least five years — the first edition of this trade show on the continent — allows professionals from different markets, from Canada to Argentina, to experience firsthand what Jalisco has to offer and to build lasting relationships.

Add to this the fact that the city is home to more than 1,200 technology companies and around 150,000 specialized jobs, along with platforms like México Hospitality Expo powered by
HOSTELCO, and you have a city that is strengthening its profile as a hub for business, innovation, and meetings.

All of this is part of a single strategy: for Guadalajara to be recognized not just as a city that receives visitors, but as a city capable of convening the world.

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You have said publicly that you want to ‘descentralizar el Mundial’ — to carry the World Cup to every corner of Jalisco, to the Pueblos Mágicos, to Puerto Vallarta, to Costa Alegre. That is a beautiful strategic idea. But the World Cup lasts one month. What is the concrete mechanism that converts 3 million World Cup visitors into 3 million reasons to return — and who is responsible for building it?
Rodrigo Esponda

The World Cup was an extraordinary opportunity to show that Jalisco is far more than a host city, and the decentralization strategy was designed precisely to bring that attention to different regions. We created 39 experiences and more than 70 packages through the Jalisco World Cup Passport, and we brought shared viewing and celebration spaces — Public Viewings, FanZones, and activations — to Tequila, Tapalpa, Mazamitla, Lagos de Moreno, Ajijic-Chapala, and
Puerto Vallarta.

The scale of the event was enormous: the direct tourism economic impact exceeded 11.5 billion pesos — equivalent to more than $670 million USD. We had approximately 1.9 million attendees across the Fan Fest and Public Viewings, more than 50,000 people at additional World Cup activations, and an operation sustained by close to 17,000 personnel. That
infrastructure and those lessons stay with us: Line 5 connects the airport to Estadio Akron, the Carretera a Chapala was transformed into a twelve-lane corridor, and we rehabilitated 270 municipal sports fields across the state’s 125 municipalities.

But the numbers are not the ultimate goal. What matters is what we do with that exposure. We want those who came for the World Cup to discover a Jalisco they want to return to — and that does not depend on any single institution. It requires coordination between government, municipalities, the private sector, communities, and the entire tourism chain.

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Jalisco is México — tequila, mariachi, charreada, birria, the biggest lake in the country, active volcanoes, Pacific beaches, highland vineyards, pre-Columbian pyramids. No other state carries so many of México’s national symbols simultaneously. Does that richness make your job easier or harder — and is there a risk that ‘Jalisco es México’ becomes a claim so large it says nothing specific to anyone?
Rodrigo Esponda

Absolutely. When we started this administration, we set out to study the “Jalisco is Mexico” brand, because personally I have always believed that brands carry so much investment of time, effort, and money that changing them every administration is a mistake. That said, a brand that is not working must be updated.

In the case of Yucatán, for example, we conducted the
relevant studies and found that the brand was not recognized either within or outside the destination.

In Jalisco’s case, we found that the brand was more than well-positioned and widely recognized — yet poorly understood. So what we focused on giving life, meaning, and narrative to a
very successful brand built by previous administrations, believing that what works and what succeeds under other governments should be capitalized on, not dismantled. In that sense, “Jalisco is Mexico” fills us with pride, because Jalisco truly is the finest representation of what México proudly stands for in the world.

Mariachi, tequila, charrería, tradition, flavor, gastronomy — but also so many of the figures México is recognized for globally in film, sport, art, culture, and music. That is something we have wanted to capitalize on: the enormous diversity and the remarkable way Jalisco represents
México on the world stage.

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You trained as a musician. You built an agency that promoted 500 destinations before you turned 40. You rebuilt Yucatán. Now you have Jalisco — the most complete tourism canvas in México. If there is one experience in this state that you believe carries the same emotional weight as great music — something that changes how a traveler sees the world after they have had it — what is it, and have you had it yourself?
Rodrigo Esponda

Jalisco is full of compelling stories, and that is precisely why it is an honor for me to represent tourism for a destination this diverse — because every day I encounter stories of people who have put Jalisco and México on the map: musicians, athletes, winemakers, chefs, all kinds of remarkable figures who inspire me and make my work that much more exciting.

I think every project I have been part of throughout my career — as a musician, as a journalist, as an entrepreneur, and then as a Government official — has shared one common thread: I am drawn to projects that move me, that excite me, and that inspire me. And without a doubt, Jalisco is a project full of inspiration, every – single – day.

                          BajaTraveler® Lightning Round

1.   Music or Tourism?

                  Tourism with music

2.    Yucatan or Jalisco?

        México

3.   Beach or Mountain?

                   Mountain

4.   Tequila or Mezcal?

Tequila

5.     Guadalajara or Puerto Vallarta

        Jalisco                               

6.    Mariachi or Banda?

                   Mariachi

7.    Patrimony or Modernity?

        Patrimony

8.   Volume or Quality?

                   Quality

4.   FIFA World Cup or Legacy?

Legacy

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